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Post by jca2008 on Aug 5, 2008 20:00:56 GMT -5
In order for something to evolve, it has to be created. Something created the egg for the chicken to hatch, just as well something created humans for them to evolve.
Sleeper,
What is your input on this?
I would love to hear everyone's input on this as well. ;D
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Post by tommyknockers on Aug 5, 2008 22:16:55 GMT -5
JC, You don’t have to dig very far to find that science as we know it is complete bunk. A few years ago I set out to build a 3d computer simulation of a simple universe. I figured I would just create a bunch of particles give them some mass apply gravity and just let err rip. After all how hard could it be these scientists that are pulling down 6 figures said everything we see happened by accident? Up until this point I had never bothered to find out what exactly gravity is and what causes it to effect mass the way that it does. Imagine my surprise when I realized nobody else knows either. We can’t even accurately describe the effects of gravity let alone the cause. Never the less I pushed on and found a way to apply the current formulas to my little universe. After many late nights and many pounds of coffee beans I was finally ready to hit the “big bang” button on my simulation. Bang! My simulation was running all of my particles were thrust out into space in a random chaos. I watched my creation run for hours on end with great anticipation I would soon see galaxies black holes and planet form. Garbage in garbage out. Is something you will hear any database programmer mumbling under their breath and applies well to my little experiment. It is my conclusion that a universe that begins in chaos will remain in chaos therefore a universe ending in intelligent design must also be created and maintain by intelligent design. Oh sure my little universe had its moments when some particles would group together and I even had a few spots where some random groups would cluster up and orbit each other. But then some random body would pass by and send the whole cluster back to chaos. I later took that program apart and adjusted it to not start in chaos but in pre calculated bodies and orbits. And it worked you can get a completely simulated solar system based on the currently excepted laws of gravity. But it is extremely fragile the slightest miss calculation or disruption can send the whole thing into an irreversible date with chaos. I get the whole thing set up and spinning like it should then send a tiny comet zipping by only to destroy the entire system. So what’s my point? The truth is all around you. Step outside and take a look. All of this from a random bunch of nothing bumping into each other? No thank you. Not my universe. If you take the time to question for yourself all of that bunk they toss around you will see it has about as much value as a hand full of monkey poo.
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Post by Lou on Aug 5, 2008 23:12:30 GMT -5
In order for something to evolve, it has to be created. Something created the egg for the chicken to hatch, just as well something created humans for them to evolve. Sleeper, What is your input on this? Hello jc The chicken was created with the apparatus to lay eggs. A simple concept for those who know we are not alone in the universe. Madness for those who think we are
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Post by Bear on Aug 6, 2008 6:08:58 GMT -5
In order for something to evolve, it has to be created. Something created the egg for the chicken to hatch, just as well something created humans for them to evolve. I would love to hear everyone's input on this as well. ;D My input may well be similar to sleepers. (shocker). As far as I'm concerned both evolution and a deistic creation which are the only two mainstream thoughts just don't make sense to me. After a few years of taking in all around me, doesn't it seem obvious that most everything alive is some form of technology? I always said the chicken came before the egg because you need something to create the egg. The chicken would have it's blueprint which would involve the whole egg mechanism, although I suspect it's a situation where both has always existed but our minds at this level can't grasp that so the technical version for us down here is as you stated. I suspect, evolution and micro evolution are "tweaks" and "upgrades". We may find there are a gazillion different versions of chickens depending on the environment. That's my take anyway, I'm with you though on what you stated.
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Post by Izarith on Aug 6, 2008 8:27:59 GMT -5
Hello Jca, One thing I have always asked my self about evolutions is........ OK I get it threw selection the strongest creature survives and becomes the ruling creature. But why is it that scientists call the selection natural (as in chance) while all the examples of proof they give (like Richard Dawkin's bird breeding or Carl Sagan's Japanese warrior faced crabs and even scientist creating amino acids in a lab) are all caused by intelligence? The new race of birds were bred by man's wonder. The Japanese warrior face shelled crabs were created by mans superstition. And the amino acids were created in a lab due to man's curiosity. But this fact is never mentioned or even touched upon, actually they evade it by guiding the learner by constantly mentioning the hypothesis of natural selection. Edit-what else spelling
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Post by lohiaaditya on Aug 6, 2008 11:29:51 GMT -5
To all those who believe in evolution as understoof by the masses, has the evolution stopped if evolution was real?
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Post by jca2008 on Aug 6, 2008 16:06:18 GMT -5
JC, So what’s my point? The truth is all around you. Step outside and take a look. All of this from a random bunch of nothing bumping into each other? No thank you. Not my universe. If you take the time to question for yourself all of that bunk they toss around you will see it has about as much value as a hand full of monkey poo. I realize that we humans aren't the only ones in existence. When I go look outside however, I only see what's around me. Cars, and people passing by. Birds flying and chirping, the cool breeze, the feeling of the wind, and the grass/flowers blowing to the side of the wind current. I see hear, feel, taste and touch the rain, and see the clouds, and feel the suns rays shining upon me. But other than that, what am I missing?
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Post by jca2008 on Aug 6, 2008 16:07:20 GMT -5
Hello jc The chicken was created with the apparatus to lay eggs. A simple concept for those who know we are not alone in the universe. Madness for those who think we are So basically you are saying the chicken was created by mass??
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Post by tommyknockers on Aug 6, 2008 17:08:23 GMT -5
Birds flying and chirping, the cool breeze, the feeling of the wind, and the grass/flowers blowing to the side of the wind current. I see hear, feel, taste and touch the rain, and see the clouds, and feel the suns rays shining upon me. But other than that, what am I missing? This would be a good spot for one of those can’t see the forest for the trees metaphors. That cool breeze you feel. Is that an accident? How much of a balancing act is it to keep that cool breeze from turning into a hurricane? If the earth was just a little closer or farther from the sun how would it affect that cool breeze? If the moon was not in its exact position and of the correct size shape and mass and orbital period would that change the cool breeze in anyway? The amount of water in the ocean the size of the ice caps the position and shape of the land mass. The list goes on and on. All of these things must be in perfect working order to keep that cool breeze under control. Science would have you believe it all came about by itself and has maintain itself in perfect working order for billions of years. Does that sound reasonable? A seemingly simple thing like a cool summer breeze is in fact nothing short of an absolute miracle that can only be observer and never full explained.
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Post by muse on Aug 6, 2008 17:28:17 GMT -5
Hey sleeper and all,
I teach students within the Vatican of the Christian Bible Belt--see if anyone gets that city? LOL!.
I can tell you that the blatant educational evolution bent is frightening to our first rate biology, physics and history teachers.
Silence is the way of it in the public schools or church steeples become phalluses and you are out.
Sleeper describes the enormity of universes, dimensions, and entities..... maybe the strict evolutionalists are a faction from the I want to believe in fairy tales Planet?
Coud be?
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Post by tommyknockers on Aug 6, 2008 18:51:20 GMT -5
Sleeper describes the enormity of universes Hah. You don’t even have to leave the planet before "enormity" loses all meaning. Science's best guess at mass in kilograms: sun 1988920000000000000000000000000 earth 5974200000000000000000000 moon 73600000000000000000000 human 49 human brain 1.5 Not only is this beyond the human brain to compute we don’t have hardware/software that can model it. One would have to cheat and knock all the zeros off. But when you do that it drops all of the small things out of existence so your model would have to pretend they don’t exist. Making your model…well worth a hand full of monkey poo. And dont even get me started on volume and distance. I know you didn’t ask me Muse but it is not often I get to vent my frustration.
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Post by jca2008 on Aug 8, 2008 12:22:46 GMT -5
I still don't get it Tommy Knockers. I am not a science guy so I don't know to much about it.
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Post by elgoog on Feb 18, 2009 14:59:10 GMT -5
chickens and eggs.
my quick answer is this... a dinosaur laid the egg and a chicken came out.
the long answer involves the theory of a DNA bomb dropped on planet earth.
one question i have that none of the evolutionists can properly answer is...
why do all vertebrate creatures on earth (most) have a 'face' , a concentration of sensory organs clustered around the brain. why not have sensory organs in your feet, or your wings, or your ten mile long tails? i think it points to the biblical maxim of 'god' making man in his own image. we are part of a blueprint, that was used to create most of the vertebrate organisms on earth. the DNA bomb.
any thoughts Lou?
thanks
~elgoog~
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Post by Lou on Feb 22, 2009 9:50:36 GMT -5
chickens and eggs. my quick answer is this... a dinosaur laid the egg and a chicken came out. the long answer involves the theory of a DNA bomb dropped on planet earth. one question i have that none of the evolutionists can properly answer is... why do all vertebrate creatures on earth (most) have a 'face' , a concentration of sensory organs clustered around the brain. why not have sensory organs in your feet, or your wings, or your ten mile long tails? i think it points to the biblical maxim of 'god' making man in his own image. we are part of a blueprint, that was used to create most of the vertebrate organisms on earth. the DNA bomb. any thoughts Lou? thanks ~elgoog~ Created in the image of god is more in line with being given the knowledge of good and evil. Has nothing to do with looks and DNA. Animals were not created in the image of god, they don't have a concept of good and evil, well, not to the level humans do, well, some humans ;D
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