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Post by noface on Nov 30, 2010 21:15:15 GMT -5
An interesting take from a level headed open minded guy.
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Post by tourmaline on Dec 2, 2010 15:36:29 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this video Noface. I had been questioning whether or not to try some kind mind expanding drug even though Sleeper said that it damages the soul. Grahams presentation validated some experiences I have had: Seeing multi antlered deer, wolves, standing behind beings overlooking landscapes, seeing nature grass trees forrest oceans (not here on this planet is the feeling I get) and elephants with large ears and tusks. I have also seen beings that have human features and others that are bipedal but the face and head is not human. All of this, au natural during silent meditation, Chi Gong or my personal meditation. My experiences are not as intense but more or less same as Graham describes.. The bottom line is I do not need to take mind expanding drugs. Thanks again, there are no coincidences Tourmaline
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Post by noface on Dec 2, 2010 18:09:05 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this video Noface. I had been questioning whether or not to try some kind mind expanding drug even though Sleeper said that it damages the soul. Grahams presentation validated some experiences I have had: Seeing multi antlered deer, wolves, standing behind beings overlooking landscapes, seeing nature grass trees forrest oceans (not here on this planet is the feeling I get) and elephants with large ears and tusks. I have also seen beings that have human features and others that are bipedal but the face and head is not human. All of this, au natural during silent meditation, Chi Gong or my personal meditation. My experiences are not as intense but more or less same as Graham describes.. The bottom line is I do not need to take mind expanding drugs. Thanks again, there are no coincidences Tourmaline Cool. You're welcome. I didn't post it for the hallucinagenics, but for the information regarding otherworldly autonomous beings and the history of them since the seeming dawn of mankind.
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Post by freshpaint on Dec 2, 2010 21:25:45 GMT -5
I read Graham Hancock's 'Supernatural' and then Rick Strassman's 'DMT the Spirit Molecule' about the same time maybe 18 months ago. Both talk about otherworldly entities involving the use of ayahuasca and DMT, the powerful psychedelic component of ayahuasca. Prior to that I studied Reiki and shamanism. Prior to that I was really into the Bible.
Actually, if I had not found Lou's information I was going to begin the process to work with shaman and try ayahuasca as a transformative spiritual experiment for myself. I too believe there are no coincidences. If I had not found this information, I would be on a different path, dealing with these drugs in a shamanic process.
If these psychedelic drugs do indeed cause soul damage, even with one's pure intent for personal spiritual evolution, then I don't really want to mess with them. I do believe that these drugs do open yourself up to higher dimensional beings, - ET, and others- but as Rick Strassman's very controlled therapeutic experiments show in his book the experiences may not allow access to the best of the beings. You sort of open up random door #1, #2, or #3 and hope for the best. Doesn't mean that your encounter is with the highest of beings, just because you opened the door. Don't really like the idea of a 'crap shot' with higher dimensional beings. And I have an idea that damaging your soul opens you up for some not so nice other dimensional entities to start hanging around you and making themselves at home, so to speak. Damaging your soul can mean being a person who lives without integrity - with hatred, with anger, with envy - as much as using some psychedelic drugs. I am not judging the drug usage, however I am talking about damaging some part of yourself.
But absolutely I agree with noface that Graham Hancock and Rick Strasssman have some compelling evidence for other dimensional beings being around humanity for a long time.
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Post by noface on Dec 3, 2010 0:26:12 GMT -5
I read Graham Hancock's 'Supernatural' and then Rick Strassman's 'DMT the Spirit Molecule' about the same time maybe 18 months ago. Both talk about otherworldly entities involving the use of ayahuasca and DMT, the powerful psychedelic component of ayahuasca. Prior to that I studied Reiki and shamanism. Prior to that I was really into the Bible. Actually, if I had not found Lou's information I was going to begin the process to work with shaman and try ayahuasca as a transformative spiritual experiment for myself. I too believe there are no coincidences. If I had not found this information, I would be on a different path, dealing with these drugs in a shamanic process. If these psychedelic drugs do indeed cause soul damage, even with one's pure intent for personal spiritual evolution, then I don't really want to mess with them. I do believe that these drugs do open yourself up to higher dimensional beings, - ET, and others- but as Rick Strassman's very controlled therapeutic experiments show in his book the experiences may not allow access to the best of the beings. You sort of open up random door #1, #2, or #3 and hope for the best. Doesn't mean that your encounter is with the highest of beings, just because you opened the door. Don't really like the idea of a 'crap shot' with higher dimensional beings. I agree that hallucinagens can open one's consciousness up to become aware of what one normally isn't aware of. I'm not so certain these drugs cause soul damage, but maybe it's the manner and attitude with which they are taken. Don't know. Strassman's experiments, although producing compelling evidence for otherworldy beings, can hardly be compared to being with a shaman who has most likely had a lifetime in a culture that has had thousands upon thousands of years of blatantly dealing with the subtle realms. Rick Strassman in a labratory simply has no clue about how to deal with otherworldly beings compared to the shamanic masters with decades of otherworldly experience. They've been dealing with positive and negative otherworldly beings for millenia. They have many generations of dealing with ancient lineages of helper spirits. On the other hand, there are black magicians in those cultures as well. So, one would have to consider, or do serious research, into the shamen one might be dealing with if one chose to go that route. I've personally decided drugs are unnecessary many years ago. But, this is a wide wide world with many different paths and viewpoints. There is also the consideration that the bad entities are good ones simply scaring you straight. I knew a native american shaman who said that if you have to take drugs to have a spiritual experience then that experience has no lasting power. There are many views, but if one is uncertain why take a chance, eh?
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Post by tourmaline on Dec 3, 2010 4:41:57 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this video Noface. I had been questioning whether or not to try some kind mind expanding drug even though Sleeper said that it damages the soul. Grahams presentation validated some experiences I have had: Seeing multi antlered deer, wolves, standing behind beings overlooking landscapes, seeing nature grass trees forrest oceans (not here on this planet is the feeling I get) and elephants with large ears and tusks. I have also seen beings that have human features and others that are bipedal but the face and head is not human. All of this, au natural during silent meditation, Chi Gong or my personal meditation. My experiences are not as intense but more or less same as Graham describes.. The bottom line is I do not need to take mind expanding drugs. Thanks again, there are no coincidences Tourmaline Cool. You're welcome. I didn't post it for the hallucinagenics, but for the information regarding otherworldly autonomous beings and the history of them since the seeming dawn of mankind. Yeah, I got that information out of the video as well. Thanks
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Post by freshpaint on Dec 3, 2010 15:56:39 GMT -5
noface- I don't know why drugs would cause soul damage. Maybe one's attitude does have an effect. I just really don't know. Good points though. Maybe Lou can comment on whether one's attitude/intent effects drug usage. Yes, Rick Strassman was no experienced shaman. You are absoutely correct. And frankly that what was so cool to me about that book - he went into the study hoping DMT could be used as a therapeutic tool - like for people talking to a psychiatrist or therapist. He thought it could help people overcome tramatic life events - people who had witnessed deaths, people who suffered assaults, etc. But his experiments produced such radical results, so far diffferent from what he expected. His volunteers just kept experiencing these encounters with entities. Rick Strassman was looking for a helpful drug and came out of his experiments with a scientific exploration of paranormal events. Funky. But I don't think he got all the story. And I am not sure even a very skilled shaman would get all the story. But a shaman would probably be much more clued into what is really real. Much more than most religious groups however, in terms of acknowledging there is indeed real encounters with non-human beings, and these encounters have been going on a long time. Just the awareness of other realities by shaman is sort of interesting, and ironic to me. Most societies with a shamanic heritage are regarded as 'backwards' when in reality they probably get more of the story of reality than the oh- so enlightened high technology cultures. Go figure! Guess being a 'Material Girl' doesn't mean you are really getting the right material about life. Or material is really immaterial. Or... something like that.
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Post by noface on Dec 3, 2010 19:07:12 GMT -5
noface- I don't know why drugs would cause soul damage. Maybe one's attitude does have an effect. I just really don't know. Good points though. Maybe Lou can comment on whether one's attitude/intent effects drug usage. Yes, Rick Strassman was no experienced shaman. You are absoutely correct. And frankly that what was so cool to me about that book - he went into the study hoping DMT could be used as a therapeutic tool - like for people talking to a psychiatrist or therapist. He thought it could help people overcome tramatic life events - people who had witnessed deaths, people who suffered assaults, etc. But his experiments produced such radical results, so far diffferent from what he expected. His volunteers just kept experiencing these encounters with entities. Rick Strassman was looking for a helpful drug and came out of his experiments with a scientific exploration of paranormal events. Funky. But I don't think he got all the story. And I am not sure even a very skilled shaman would get all the story. But a shaman would probably be much more clued into what is really real. Much more than most religious groups however, in terms of acknowledging there is indeed real encounters with non-human beings, and these encounters have been going on a long time. Just the awareness of other realities by shaman is sort of interesting, and ironic to me. Most societies with a shamanic heritage are regarded as 'backwards' when in reality they probably get more of the story of reality than the oh- so enlightened high technology cultures. Go figure! Guess being a 'Material Girl' doesn't mean you are really getting the right material about life. Or material is really immaterial. Or... something like that. I intended to read that book but never got around to it. I wasn't trying to put Strassman down in any way, but to bring out the point that doing DMT with him (having no experience with subtle realms, or even spirituality) would be vastly different than doing it with seasoned shamen who travel and communicate with an entourage of helper spirits. Yeah I agree about how backward our society can get things. The so called "superior" psyche of the westerner is really good at ignorantly (as in lack of knowledge) invalidating thousands of years of experience with beings, including ET, in the subtle realms that those shamen have. Maybe there will eventually be a synthesis of technological advancement with spiritual wisdom. Right now it seems that both sides could use a little of each other - technological advancement being somewhat ignorant of the spirit and the spirit prejudiced against technological advancement. Terence McKenna has some very interesting views about this marriage of technology and spirit. If you ever get a chance check some of his stuff out. The psychedelic video in this clip can be sort of annoying. I just listened to it while doing something else: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6088867521723616224#docid=-335621086425739066
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