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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 7, 2009 20:44:19 GMT -5
Ok this is the real deal so pay attention.
Park your arse on a chair in the living room. What we are going to do is make a tasty treat from your kitchen appear in your hand in the living room.
First of all you need to come up with something that really exists in your kitchen. For me it is an apple. I know for a fact I have an apple in the kitchen because I just walked by a full bag of them on the counter.
Now look down at your hand and ask yourself. “Is the treat now here or is it nowhere to be seen?”
If your answer is nowhere consider this. What is the difference between nowhere and now here?
Space. Our good friend time and space which if you have been paying attention you know is an illusion.
Now get up off your arse walk out to the kitchen and get your treat then return to the chair in the living room to reflect on what just happened.
Once again ask yourself. “Is the treat now here or is it nowhere to be seen?”
It is my hope that you can answer that your treat is now here. If not start over and try again until you get it right.
So where is the magic? This is just stupid.
Is it? Think about it. Time is an illusion there is no future there is no past and there is no present.
The future can never be now here. So it doesn’t exist. The past can never be now here. So it doesn’t exist. The present IS the past the instant you try to pin point it. So it doesn’t exist.
Now here is all that exist and all that is real. Everything that you have, did have, and will have is now here. You only need to close the gap on space time to experience them.
Now enjoy your treat and set your sites on something bigger and better to make your life more fulfilling. Perhaps that shiny red sports car you drive by every day. Or that house with the picket fence and green grass.
The magic is there is no magic. Only a gap in time/space between you and happiness. ;D
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 7, 2009 21:46:07 GMT -5
“Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.” Albert Einstein.
“A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.” Albert Einstein.
"There is no difference between the past and the future in the 4-dimensional space-time-world. The present is only an illusion" Albert Einstein.
"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." Albert Einstein.
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 7, 2009 22:19:00 GMT -5
No one keeps track of time better than Ferenc Krausz. In his lab at the Max Planck Institute of Quantum Optics in Garching, Germany, he has clocked the shortest time intervals ever observed. Krausz uses ultraviolet laser pulses to track the absurdly brief quantum leaps of electrons within atoms. The events he probes last for about 100 attoseconds, or 100 quintillionths of a second. For a little perspective, 100 attoseconds is to one second as a second is to 300 million years. But even Krausz works far from the frontier of time. There is a temporal realm called the Planck scale, where even attoseconds drag by like eons. It marks the edge of known physics, a region where distances and intervals are so short that the very concepts of time and space start to break down. Planck time—the smallest unit of time that has any physical meaning—is 10-43 second, less than a trillionth of a trillionth of an attosecond.
(that is 1 second divied by 10 with 43 zeros behind it)
Beyond that? Tempus incognito. At least for now. Efforts to understand time below the Planck scale have led to an exceedingly strange juncture in physics. The problem, in brief, is that time may not exist at the most fundamental level of physical reality. If so, then what is time? And why is it so obviously and tyrannically omnipresent in our own experience? “The meaning of time has become terribly problematic in contemporary physics,” says Simon Saunders, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford. “The situation is so uncomfortable that by far the best thing to do is declare oneself an agnostic.” Tim Folger Discover magazine. June 12, 2007
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Post by Phedre on Feb 7, 2009 23:11:41 GMT -5
Ah come on Tommy! Your kidding, right? I want to be on the other side waiting for you to show up with the red car, house and oh yes, apple.
I have had the cars,houses, diamonds, perky friends, and passionate love, none of it made me happy, because I wanted more and more and none of it made me happy. If you read too many books on happiness, the harder you try to get happy the more elusive it gets. I think Lou just said that.
So one day I started to "get sober" I didn't intend it to happen, but it did. Then I sold everything I owned and only kept what I could get in my car. That made me happy. Then I found me a fella who picked mushrooms, no not "magic" mushrooms. Morels and etc. And asked if I could go with him , 'cause I am a lady type person, he could change tires and stuff and I don't like to. So off we went "old hippies". This was in 1992. We went to Mt. St Helens, Mt. Rainier and Mt. Hood and Mt Adams even before James Gilliland came to have a ranch out of Trout Lake. Stayed in the area every fall. That made me happy, have some good friends there. Then we went all over Idaho, I love Idaho, and California. We made good money and saw the most beautiful forests in the world, that made me happy. Made great friends, listened to stories, everyone has a story, just ask, that made me happy. I walked in the forests at night by myself, I stayed in camp, by myself on several occasions. I never had the fear I have walking down a big city street. I knew that there where a lot of things in the night that could be, but I did not have the experience of something reaching out and scaring the crap out of me. That made me happy. I never got lost, 'cause I excepted the fact the compass was not wrong, even though my mind screamed that it was wrong! I like picking mushrooms by myself, it was great. That made me happy. I did that for about 5 years. Then came back to society, not so happy. But I have a life time of friends and learned how to be a friend , making amends to those I trashed when I was drinking, making amends to myself,all of that makes me happy. Today, I don't have any money , but have what I need. I am very very rich. Cause all these experiences the good and not so good can go with me, I do believe I can thread these "things" through the "eye of the needle" which I believe is the baggage limit for traveling the universe. Now , for me I consider that real "Magic".
So what are you going to take with you? Phedre
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 8, 2009 1:10:51 GMT -5
Nope I am not kidding. However I am also not suggesting that apples and red sports cars are the road to happiness. Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. I in no way intended to tell you about what will or will not make you happy. Only how to get there from here. Possessing the apple is not the fun part. Closing the gap between it is.
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Post by Phedre on Feb 8, 2009 14:41:05 GMT -5
So, closing "the gap" is the fun part. Now I am a bit intrigued .
You have obviously put some time and thought into your post. The intriguing part to me is where you are going with it? I am coming from a practical stand point. My theory is if I can't apply it, have fun with it or eat it, I will probably loose interest in it.
I apologize for reading the 1st post wrong.
I am curious, and I mean no disrespect.
Phedre
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Post by noface on Feb 8, 2009 19:13:09 GMT -5
The magic is there is no magic. Only a gap in time/space between you and happiness. ;D Okay Tommy, How 'bout this for some more fun. When you look at that apple on the counter try to see what separates it from your awareness. How is it "separate" from your awareness of it? Look to see. Where does the apple end and your awareness start? What "space" is there between the apple and your awareness of the apple? There is no "space" between your awareness and the apple. If the apple and your awareness were separate, you wouldn't be aware of it. No space = no time = no magic = real magic = no separation from happiness.
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 8, 2009 20:38:30 GMT -5
Hi Phedre. I don’t really have any direction. I tend to bounce around this universe like a pinball. My only intent is to spur discussion. So, closing "the gap" is the fun part. Now I am a bit intrigued . I am sure you have heard the saying "it's not the kill but the thrill of the chase"
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 8, 2009 20:47:20 GMT -5
There is no "space" between your awareness and the apple. If the apple and your awareness were separate, you wouldn't be aware of it. Did the apple exist "before" I was aware of it?
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Post by noface on Feb 8, 2009 21:38:25 GMT -5
There is no "space" between your awareness and the apple. If the apple and your awareness were separate, you wouldn't be aware of it. Did the apple exist "before" I was aware of it? Well, according to logical understanding of this 3D world I would say yes, the apple existed when you weren't aware of it. But, other than 3D awareness I cannot say. It might not exist, or it might exist as latent potential to be recognized as an apple when you shine the light of your awareness in its direction. Or maybe we create the apple with our awareness itself, sort of projecting the unconscious contents of our own psyche on to a tabula rasa in consciousness. Or maybe what we are aware of is the magical matrix that ET want us to see and they control what is seen and experienced in every moment, etc., etc., etc. The point is that there is no space and therefore no time separating you and what you are aware of. Your awareness is in oneness with everything in each moment of your experience - with your now. There is space between objects of awareness ie: space between your body and the clouds, between people, dogs, washing machines et all. Therefore it takes time to travel that distance between objects. But there is no space between your awareness and all of the objects it is aware of. You are aware of them right now. Your awareness "intimately touches", in an awareness sense, what it is aware of. That's why awareness is aware of what it is aware of. There is a "connection in this moment". No space or time separating that connection. Is your basic awareness your soul? I don't know. Maybe.
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 9, 2009 0:38:55 GMT -5
Ok so let’s just call it the soup of information. That is me, the apple, the room, the air, and all of the things between me and the apple.
I get up walk over to the apple and bring it back to my original position. Have I changed the information with time? Has time changed the information? If time is a dimension and not a force how can it change anything? Has the information changed me? Perhaps the only thing that has changed is my perspective. In fact now that I am sitting here with the apple all that is left of the “time” that the apple was on the counter is a memory. That information is gone. Or so it would seem. It is no more real than the though of what eating the apple will be like.
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 9, 2009 2:02:22 GMT -5
It not hard get that the future is not real. It has not happened yet and an infinite amount of variable can change what ever it is you might imagine it to be. It not real doesn’t exist.
With a little thought it is not that hard to see that the past is not real as well it is no more real than the future. It is a memory. What is the difference between remembering the past and imagining the future? None really that I can see. Just blips in the brain.
Now what about the present. This is a little harder to wash away as unreal but what does it mean? What point in time is NOW?
The present is the division of two things that do not exist. And to top that off the division DOES NOT WORK.
As the good Doctor Ferenc above has shown you can not continue to divide a point in time and say this half is future and this half is past and right here in the middle is the present. Because there is no middle. As soon as you find the middle you must now split that in half.
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Post by tommyknockers on Feb 9, 2009 2:14:18 GMT -5
Driving to dinner with my wife and 4 year old daughter. She has kind of her own version of “are we there yet”? She says “Daddy are we here”? My reply: Well of course honey we are always here. Her Reply: We are here? My Reply: Well we were but now here is there. Her Reply: Where? My Reply: Back there where you asked me if we are here. Her Reply: So we are here? My Reply: Yes we are always here.
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Post by noface on Feb 9, 2009 2:32:02 GMT -5
Ok so let’s just call it the soup of information. That is me, the apple, the room, the air, and all of the things between me and the apple. Okay. I'd say with decisions. The soup of information - objects in awareness - your thoughts, your body, the apple, the air, molecules, etc. have changed, but your clear quality-less basic awareness did not change. It remained exactly what it is. It has no objects, no qualities, how can it change? Maybe. I don't know exactly. Things, forms, objects in awareness, change with time. Maybe time is just how we notice changes in objects taking place. Otherwise it would all be one solid block of infinite density, or would that be light? If you move your hand in front of your face and put all those moments together you get about a 3 foot solid block of your arm in front of your face. Now add up all moments that ever were and ever will be. Maybe the only reason things can move around, experience time, is because everything is in a perfect balance of forces so when something gives, another takes. I think that would depend on what you consider "you" to be. The objects in the soup of information are changing, that's for sure, and that includes your body, your sensations, your thoughts and your environment. Yes, that is how the sages determined whether something was truly real or only an illusion. If it can perish it is an illusion, it is not real. But, that is only in the sense that it is not permanent. What the sages searched for was that which would not perish with time. You know, "Place your treasure where rust and moth can't get to it." kind of thing. But it could get tricky. What if, since each moment is recorded in time, you were in a timeless realm and could experience any moment you wanted. That moment would indeed be an eternity. Forever. And it would be real because it doesn't perish. THere is no time for it to pass into another moment. So, in a sense everything is real as well as illusionary. It is only an illusion when there is time. Lou says to watch what you do because it is recorded for all of eternity. Each dang blasted embarassing humiliating stupid ass moment. Sheesh. The good ones too. ;D What part of "you" will not perish no matter what changes happen to all the perishable aspects of yourself? That's the real you. But hey, it's not like I'm sitting here consciously and eternally abiding in my real non-perishable nature. And even though moments of intimate connection with the now occur, when time seems to stop, or goes by incredibly fast, it doesn't excuse one from living with integrity. I think Lou was right in saying that's the bottom line. It matters what we choose to do with our "time" in this illusion. The present moment is the time between the past and the future when you feel alive. It is an ever flowing stream, it can't be pinned down, but it can be felt and experienced. You can feel it flowing through you.
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Post by Izarith on Feb 9, 2009 12:06:45 GMT -5
Thank you Tommy!! Once again a great thread from you. ;D Fishy? Tommy? Do you guys recall my old posts to Sleeper where I told him that I was starting to see deeper into the illusion of things. In one I said something along the lines of...."A car is a manipulation of matter, it is rot from metal and plastic. We are the ones who crate the car in our minds, but in reality a car is just a jumble of plastic and metal" And in another i said....."Now every time I get a drink of watter, I do not feel like I am getting the water instead I feel as if my mind is creating the illusion of getting the watter." Try this tommy..... Walk, just walk. Then ask yourself if it is your brain, nerves and the rest of your body that is walking. Then ask yourself if it is possible that you are in a dream. In this dream you have been told, and shown how to create the illusion that you are walking. Picture, if you will, a game......Lets call this game "Companied stupidity". In this game you have unlimited potential, unlimited abilities, unlimited rules. Now the purpose of the game is to learn how to play the game. The more you learn how to play, the more you can see that only you make the rules. Ah but what is a rule, in a game of unlimited abilities and potentials? Well that is for you to decide. And decide rules you have and so you do. The world at one time was actually flat Tommy believe it or not, it was. Any person who ventured to fare was rushed of the face of the known world. The world at one time was actually at the center of the universe. For to say that I lie is to say that we will never live on the moon or mars. If we only knew the power of our companied stupidity we would know the power of the rules we teach and show each to keep us not knowing what is beyond the rules we see. Good thing we have help from those from above our rules, but to bad there are others who whisper rules in our ear. Worst of all both are necessary to play the game for one can not overcome what he does not ground himself with. There is no spoon.........well I knew that but what else is there to eat with? I have know idea if I'm making any sense, It's so hard to explain. TA!! Izarith.
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