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Post by bubbapug1985 on May 15, 2011 21:31:49 GMT -5
Under construction.
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Post by shenachie on Jun 3, 2011 17:47:21 GMT -5
I've found painting to be cathartic, and also helpful recovering more details of the 'dreams'. Attachments:
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Post by Eevee on Jun 4, 2011 1:28:35 GMT -5
Wow Shenacie, I'm assuming that you painted that awesome picture, you are very talented if so! Have you painted any others like that? I would truly love to express myself through drawing or painting, especially some of my more significant dreams, but unfortunately I have no artistic ability whatsoever. Just the other day I was looking at a Japanese artist's work online, and said to my daughter that I wished I could paint like that...my daughter is predicted to get an A* in her art exam this summer, she doesn't get that from me. ;D
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Post by zenon on Jun 4, 2011 15:55:30 GMT -5
While dreaming you are basically astral projecting. But the image is blurry because your subconsciousness makes it like that. Most of the scenes which did not happen from your astral journey are just added to your memory by your subconsciousness. Imagine it like that: You are driving a car. You are the driver (astral body) and the car is the container (body). You must sometimes leave the car (container).
Anyways, that's just my 2 cents. ;D
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Post by shenachie on Jun 4, 2011 16:40:11 GMT -5
Hi Evee, It's nice to have talent, but painting can be learned. Unless you have an aversion to it. You should start with a basic painting class, (skip the drawing) then take private lessons from a painter. I'm an oil painter. I painted that in acrylic, and in very hazy tones to represent the haze of the dream. In which I was being restrained, and couldn't look right or left. I've begun painting my experiences, as part of therapy. And I've found that it brings back details I previously had no recollection of. I'll be painting more of the 'dreams'. I've rendered some of my conscious visual experiences using photoshop, to try to get a very precise representation of what we saw. I'm attaching one of something that I encountered just before these 'dreams'. My father and I chased (or were chased) around by that one night. Father also had the 'dreams.' Thanks for asking. Attachments:
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Post by Eevee on Jun 6, 2011 14:30:08 GMT -5
Hi Shenacie, I'd imagine that the act of visualising the dream or experience in order to put it on canvas would indeed help you recall more details, if you practice visualisation techniques on a regular basis it can help with dream recall. I also find that merely writing my dreams down in my dream diary, or describing the dream to someone else helps more details emerge. I think it's great that you're using your talent in a positive, theraputic way, and it certainly has given your dreams another dimension. I would love to see more of your 'dream' paintings in the future, and, if you feel you want to, hear more about you and your Dad's experiences. You and others have inspired me to try to learn to paint in order to bring some of my dreams to life. I'm going to try out acrylics, but will have to teach myself..should be interesting. ;D I am also going to get my dream journal up to date. Thank you.
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Post by baddeddie on Jun 6, 2011 19:24:22 GMT -5
senachie & Eevee, for whatever reason I'm not remembering any of my dreams at all if I'm even having any. Since I've joined the board and read through the sleeper threads I've noticed that so many of you have so its made me feel like I'm totally weird or something . What has really made me reply to your posts is the paintings. Awesomely beautiful senachie. I'm in the same boat as Eevee with no artistic talent at all. Its amazing what I've been able to accomplish as a mechanical designer using high-end computer software. I can visualize designs in my head but need the computer software to bring it to life. Previous to the computer I used the drafting board and its tools to make it happen. Eevee, its totally awesome you have the courage to step up and try your hand at it. Eddie
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Post by shenachie on Jun 7, 2011 11:15:54 GMT -5
Hi Shenacie, I'd imagine that the act of visualising the dream or experience in order to put it on canvas would indeed help you recall more details, if you practice visualisation techniques on a regular basis it can help with dream recall. I also find that merely writing my dreams down in my dream diary, or describing the dream to someone else helps more details emerge. I think it's great that you're using your talent in a positive, theraputic way, and it certainly has given your dreams another dimension. I would love to see more of your 'dream' paintings in the future, and, if you feel you want to, hear more about you and your Dad's experiences. You and others have inspired me to try to learn to paint in order to bring some of my dreams to life. I'm going to try out acrylics, but will have to teach myself..should be interesting. ;D I am also going to get my dream journal up to date. Thank you. Thanks, Evee I'll be painting more in the future. I've just begun to be able to discuss that. It seems as though it was traumatic, so my mind denied me access to it. The memories were there, but I couldn't 'think about it.' My father tried to discuss it with me, he was irate about the intrusion in his life. But I wouldn't or couldn't discuss it. Then one day, when I was 50 yrs old, I suddenly had some access to the memories. It took me years to accept it. Finally, I engaged a psychologist who's helping me access the memories through meditation. He believes regression is too traumatic, Budd Hopkins cautioned me about that as well. Although the experience I illustrated was quite 'pleasant', there are others that I remember as 'nightmares' - of the very worst sort. I will take your offer to discuss it In that experience, I was 'escorted' to 'meet' the elders. It was 'conveyed' to me what an awesome 'honor' it was to be engaged directly by them. The little grey shits seemed equally in awe. When 'engaged', my body was like a puppet. His mind could control my body - the greys could do that to some extent. (NOT pleasant!) Or they use technology. Mind scan was pleasant. He conveyed, 'we mean you no harm'. And, I received an awesome sense of, age immense knowledge, and power. Lou says that the Aliens 'add that little something' that enables humans to experience this without being reduced to a quivering bowl of paranoid jelly. It's like LSD. For me, it's not nearly as straight forward as Lou's accounts. (Perhaps he translates into '3D' ) When in their presence, telepathy's not like 'radio'. It's more like you're in another dimension where all the others present share a 'group experience' with everyone sharing some of everyone else's feelings. It's like a 'we are all one', sort of thing. I can only describe the energy of each of our minds as little streams or rivers, merging into a large stream. The elders' minds were like raging, irresistible torrents. The energy of my mind was like a trickle. To be caught in the energy of the elder's minds, which is what happens when you look in their eyes, was like being swept away in a torrent. Pleasant, if he wanted it that way. And it conveyed it was male. Communication was on the though level, I'm translating into 'words'. The sense of 'oneness' and 'belonging' were so profound, that I've searched all my life for the same feelings though yoga and ect. It was as if 'in their dimension', they exist on the 3d physical plain, but on the mental plain as I described simultaneously. This conscious experience influenced my entire life, even though I 'couldn't think about it' till recently. Probably, I'll do regression at some point. However, I've become aware that it's hard work translating 4D memories to 3D. Usually, you just get abstract images. I get the impression that the 'elder' caused me to recall this at the point in my life where I was mature enough to deal with it. But confabulation is your main enemy in the process so, I don't take too many 'conclusions' as valid. So now I'm an adult executive having to deal with something I cannot discuss with anyone! ;D I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it with 'like minded' folk! It would be nice if Lou could shed some 'light' on this for me, but his material helpful anyway.
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Post by shenachie on Jun 7, 2011 11:43:45 GMT -5
senachie & Eevee, for whatever reason I'm not remembering any of my dreams at all if I'm even having any. Since I've joined the board and read through the sleeper threads I've noticed that so many of you have so its made me feel like I'm totally weird or something . What has really made me reply to your posts is the paintings. Awesomely beautiful senachie. I'm in the same boat as Eevee with no artistic talent at all. Its amazing what I've been able to accomplish as a mechanical designer using high-end computer software. I can visualize designs in my head but need the computer software to bring it to life. Previous to the computer I used the drafting board and its tools to make it happen. Eevee, its totally awesome you have the courage to step up and try your hand at it. Eddie Hi Eddie, thanks for your input. Photoshop's also 'art' and it probably engages the right brain on the subliminal level like painting. So you might try that if you don't like 'manual arts.' If you're 'not remembering your dreams', but you 'know' you're having them, they might not be accessible for many reasons. One reason could be, that your conscious mind cannot handle it but is conveying to you that there's 'something there'. If you work to achieve a frame of mind to deal with it, you mind will filter images back to you in accordance with your abilities. If a hypnotherapist 'dumps' you directly into a memory that's 'way scary', the trauma may be counterproductive and your mind will protect you by hiding. That's the mechanics of the process. Personally, I'm hesitant to get regressed for that reason. Also because of confabulation. If you have the strong feelings that this is happening to you, I'd suggest 3 things. 1: Look for marks on your body when you wake with a strong feeling that you were 'engaged'. 2: Read books by abductees starting with Kim Carlsberg's 'Beyond my wildest dreams' to get an idea of how difficult it is. The 3rd thing is, 'don't listen to me - I know I don't know what's really happening. ;D Budd Hopkin's 'Captured' describes the mechanic of regression therapy. If you decide to 'get regressed' be sure that it's somebody who's experienced. Very experienced. Otherwise, you could get implanted with memories that didn't happen. If it helps, my own Experience was, that reading Lou's stuff makes it sound like great fun. But realization that it's happening to youis another thing entirely. It begins with 'denial'. If that doesn't work, you begin to think you're 'insane'. The difficulty of 4D is like that. Of course it could be something else, like a brain condition. That's why seeing a therapist who doesn't 'believe in abduction' is helpful. I quite enjoyed 'breaking him in to the idea' - the expression on his face was great!! ;D Once again, it's a lot of work. Whitley Streiber is so right when he says, 'they never make it easy.' (That why I hate Lou's guts because they actually make it FUN for him!! ) But I think that if you're a functional adult with no 'issues', it's likely that you 'know' something's happening, but it's in 4D and not currently accessible to you in 3D. Best
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Post by bob on Jun 7, 2011 16:34:26 GMT -5
I engaged a psychologist who's helping me access the memories through meditation. Fraternal Greetings, Shenachie! Thanks for sharing your very interesting and compelling tale and artwork! I appreciate your efforts at recall, but wouldn't you agree that sometimes we can get so invested in the past (via grasping at or clinging to memory), that we overlook our only true contact with reality, which can only be in the now? Dwelling on past or future can distract us from the immediate job we've come here to accomplish (which is also probably why there is an induced amnesia for most of us at our current level of adaptation). Perhaps it's a matter of trust. In other words, trusting that what's right in front of us is the perfect circumstance for our growth and development as souls, and that this present stage and accompanying props have been provided for us out of an immense love, far more brilliant than we can ever imagine or comprehend within our limited 3-D conceptuality. Of course, at more advanced levels of adaptation, concepts like past, present, and future no longer apply (or both apply and don't apply, or neither apply or don't apply -- go figure). We can discuss the implications of such a view point when we're at that pay grade, I suppose. Nevertheless, how wonderful to have met one of the "elders" as a conscious experience, very auspicious! You'll know and remember what they would have you know and remember, not elsewise. Blessings!
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Post by shenachie on Jun 7, 2011 22:37:15 GMT -5
I engaged a psychologist who's helping me access the memories through meditation. Fraternal Greetings, Shenachie! Thanks for sharing your very interesting and compelling tale and artwork! I appreciate your efforts at recall, but wouldn't you agree that sometimes we can get so invested in the past (via grasping at or clinging to memory), that we overlook our only true contact with reality, which can only be in the now? Dwelling on past or future can distract us from the immediate job we've come here to accomplish (which is also probably why there is an induced amnesia for most of us at our current level of adaptation). Perhaps it's a matter of trust. In other words, trusting that what's right in front of us is the perfect circumstance for our growth and development as souls, and that this present stage and accompanying props have been provided for us out of an immense love, far more brilliant than we can ever imagine or comprehend within our limited 3-D conceptuality. Of course, at more advanced levels of adaptation, concepts like past, present, and future no longer apply (or both apply and don't apply, or neither apply or don't apply -- go figure). We can discuss the implications of such a view point when we're at that pay grade, I suppose. Nevertheless, how wonderful to have met one of the "elders" as a conscious experience, very auspicious! You'll know and remember what they would have you know and remember, not elsewise. Blessings! I'm basically agnostic & I'm inclined to think that any such concepts that you suggest are rationalizations. I don't see any evidence that there's 'spiritual' advancement, or anything like that involved. Just an advanced ET presence with an 'interest'. 'It's all about them. Nothing about me, or us.' For me, it's about bugs, with abilities to control space and time, that take you away and do inexplicable stuff to you, whenever they want. No matter what my schedule is. I guess I should be more 'cooperative', more of a 'team player. But I don't friggin appreciate the theft of an immense amount of my time, and use of my mind and body. I guess I've got a bad attitude.
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Post by bob on Jun 7, 2011 23:02:09 GMT -5
I guess I should be more 'cooperative', more of a 'team player. But I don't friggin appreciate the theft of an immense amount of my time, and use of my mind and body. I guess I've got a bad attitude. It's the "me" and "mine" that trip us up. Just dropping off that baggage alone will radically change the perspective. Blessings!
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Post by baddeddie on Jun 8, 2011 10:06:14 GMT -5
Bob, So whats the deal with me not being able to remember any of my dreams at all? Is this "normal" for some of us? Thanks, Eddie
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Post by shenachie on Jun 8, 2011 10:44:28 GMT -5
Hi Shenacie, You and others have inspired me to try to learn to paint in order to bring some of my dreams to life. I'm going to try out acrylics, but will have to teach myself..should be interesting. ;D You can do it! Jerry Yarnell's basic video covers all aspects of the basics. And he markets follow on videos that walk you through specific painting techniques, such as painting waves. I've been painting for some time now, and some of my most popular paintings are from Jerry's lessons! www.yarnellart.com/cart2/Home.htm
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Post by bob on Jun 8, 2011 11:10:28 GMT -5
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